No gentleman's agreement at Rec
I was interested to read Harry Barstow's letter, I would love to know where he gets his information from. My dictionary tells me that the definition of a covenant is a written agreement, to enter into a formal agreement.
This rather calls into question the veracity of the so called comments made to Mr Barstow by members of the rugby club. Perhaps Mr Barstow would like to see my copy of the covenants made on April 6, 1922 between The Trustees of the Bathwick Estate and The Bath and County Recreation Ground Trust.
There was no gentleman's agreement, it's all in black and white Harry.
The final page of the contract states very clearly that it is subject to the conditions of the original conveyance of 1922, in particular the second schedule on restrictions conditions and stipulations which states: "The Corporation will not use The Recreation Ground otherwise than as an open space and will not show any undue preference to or in favour of any particular game or sport or any particular person, club body or organisation". It also excludes all building of any kind. Says it all Harry.
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To sum up, having noted the points of view of the pro Bath RFC brigade even if they played 20 games per season that leaves at least 345 days for an arena to be used for commercial gain.
This is not what the Rec was intended for. Read the covenant and contract Harry.
This also applies to others who interfere from afar whether from Wellow, Dorset or Timbuktu – better to cause strife in their own backyards.
Keith McGarrigle Lime Grove Gardens Bath
6 Comments
by bath1946
Saturday, February 23 2013, 5:49AM
“Mike, There is an important aspect to the stadium capacity. Appart from the obvious one of income the reason for the need to build a stadium stems from the requirements of the premiership. The minimum capacity was stipulated as 10,000 which is why the extra terracing was constructed and annual requests to the Charity Commissioners had to be made for permission to use that land; this caused the Commissioners to insist that a permanent solution be found and resulted in the current flawed proposal. Although not enforced, the current premiership requirement is for a capacity of 15,000 hence the 18,000 in Stadium 1865 proposal. However the new agreement runs for 50 years during which time based upon the increasing popularity of rugby it is probable that the capacity requirement will increase further.”
by Mike_the_Taxi
Friday, February 22 2013, 4:16PM
“The O2 arena capacity is 20,000:-
http://tinyurl.com/afb2nvv”
by bath1946
Thursday, February 21 2013, 9:49PM
“d, "18,000 seat stadium" should have given you the clue that i was referring to number of spectators, not size.
Darius, i'm not sure what you mean by what i wish for. I think disturbance and commercial activities may be key but i await with interest the next stage.”
by Mike_the_Taxi
Thursday, February 21 2013, 3:17PM
“Another misleading statement; "bigger than the O2 arena"!
The O2 arena is 104,000 sq metres (approx); Bath Rugby usage of the Recreation Ground is 22,500 sq metres. Quite an overstatement by you, '46!”
by DariusMehta
Thursday, February 21 2013, 2:55PM
“The 1956 conveyance included the covenant but with the following words "so far as the same are still subsisting and capable of being enforced". So if still subsisting and enforceable, in my opinion very doubtful, the Leisure Centre, Car park and South Stand all built after 1956 have to come down! Be careful what you wish for!”
by bath1946
Thursday, February 21 2013, 11:36AM
“Yes. Emphasis has been placed upon the 1956 sale but the conditions imposed upon that sale by the covenant have been ignored. At last the Trustees appear to have taken on board the disturbance and activities of a professional club playing in an open 18,000 seat stadium (bigger than the O2 arena) with retail units.”