“'Crikey your a teacher and yet you have yet to find people that drive, andf consume'. What the hell is that supposed to mean? Doesn't make much sense to me.

And no, If I have to travel somewhere within Bath, I cycle. And despite holding a licence, I choose to take the train and bus to my school.

Joner, your comments are poorly informed, predjudiced, based on tired stereotypes and biggoted. Just because you clearly don't seem to care about the state of the planet/animals etc, you seem to find it incomprehensible that some people genuinley do try to live an ethical life. And no, I'm not carbon neutral, but i'm trying, and that is the best any of us can do.”

“Jon - Look around you fella, you'll be with these people tonight, will you drive down to the demonstration? Crikey your a teacher and yet you have yet to find people that drive, andf consume. By the way if you are going to quote me, use words I have written, at no point did I use excessivley.

Camile - you are right to an extent, some are indeed force fed although others are allowed to eat as much as they like when they like and given enough food to do this as they are naturally greedy animals, most likely like the protesters tucking into their smart price roast chicken for Sunday lunch

Take no notice of comments from so called educated people, remember on here they can be a teacher, politician, or airline pilot for all we know..”

“What an ignorant comment Camille. Many Foie Gras ducks cannot walk towards farmers to be fed because they are kept in cages and have tubes of feed rammed down their throats (often causing ruptures inside), so no they do not have happy lives. Perhaps you should educate yourselves about Foie Gras before commenting.”

“I just had a random idea :did anyone check with the geese if they thought they were tortured. Who knows they might enjoy their life! i've seen geese walk towards the farmer to be fed. They are jsut obese animals really.
Go protest in front of fast food outlets who torture our children by making them obese!”

“Ian - You say that 'many groups like ours' drive evrywhere, guzzle gas and lead excessivley consumerist lifestyles. Could you tell me what groups or individuals, as I have yet to meet any. Or is it that you are relying on yet more tired stereotypes with no basis in reality?”

“Perhaps James is arguing that animals should have freedom of speech and freedom of religion. And as James is considered middle class, then perhaps he and I might find ourselves sitting next to each other in some morally superior restaurant some day. Got a few suggestions, James?”

“Hi James ¿ One again I find myself having to listen to the ramblings of someone who feels they can abuse, bully and this is my point, it happens on here and you¿re not even outside a small business with your ¿buddies¿ mob mentality isn¿t a good thing James and your previous posts are exactly where I¿m coming from. If you want to protest do it in the right way, yeah I stick with my thoughts on there are bigger issues and to be fair this is not about me, you choose to demonstrate not me that was never the issue. Once again the comment about the jobless was meant not in a bad way but as what I see as public opinion and I also stated how tough it is out there to find work. My rights consist of not having to fight my way past a group of protesters who are hell bent on getting their point across no matter what it takes, I¿ve seen it, experienced it and it¿s not good in anyway and certainly doesn¿t help the public perception of the cause. I¿m pleased you are working under the current economic climate, again what annoys me is many people who belong to groups like yours will happily drive everywhere, leave lights on and gadgets on standby, eat all kinds of various meat and other goods that have packaging that you can¿t recycle, get on a plane to go on holiday and as I said in my previous post generally consume. By doing all these things you become part of the problem you are protesting about.

This is a thread that has run and run now, it¿s becoming boring, no doubt there will be more on the subject next week after Friday¿s social gathering outside a business just trying to survive under a difficult economic climate.”

“To Joner.
Yes "screw your rights" sounds controversial to you, so let me explain a few things to your little mind.

Rights are things which apply not only to people: freedom of speech, of religion etc, but to all living things. Animal Cruelty laws mean that just like humans animals have a right not to be tortured. Thats why you can't torture a dog and thats why you can't produce foie gras here. You have a right that things aren¿t taken away from you e.g like free speech and that things aren¿t done to you e.g. that you are tortured. That you have a ¿right¿ to support a trade of torture is a fallacy.

You state there are more important issues in the world. Are you doing anything about them? I doubt it so don't criticise someone for doing at least something.

About the class issue and your complete bigotry about protesters being unemployed. I guess I am a protestor, I have not protested here but for other issues. Am I unemployed? No I have an office job and am considered middle class. Was I being RACIST against my own class? No I was criticising an arrogant attitude which seems to be mostly held by self centred middle class types. A revelation, you claim to be working class and have the same attitude”

“Jon ¿ thanks for your comments, very much appreciated obviously from an educated person, let¿s just hope as a teacher you¿re not pushing your beliefs down the throats of our children. My comments gave credit where credit was due, Moe for instance and picked fault at other comments I believed to be wrong James for instance. The mention of the jobless was made of what I see as general public opinion rightly or wrongly. I also gave credit to protesters who I believe given the correct cause has a place. Now Jon with the greatest respect let me hand back the chip that has just fallen of your shoulder. As always with this sort of thing, you are entitled to your own beliefs and opinions however when others express theirs you either don¿t read my comments correctly or just feel we shouldn¿t have them. 5 strikes of the slipper for Joner.”

“Joner - too many of your points are too poorly made to even warrent a response, but one really bugs me and warrenta an apology - the 'protesters are jobless thing - I work as a teacher of young children with behavioual difficulties. Off the top of my head, here are some of the other jobs worked by people who regularly attend the demos - care workers (at least 2), cleaner, office workers (several), bar worker and a couple of students. To the best of my knowledge, none of us are unemployed, not that it would matter if we were.
You bring up the class issue as being as bad as rasion (I assume you meant racism), but spreading the stereotype that activists are all jobless is every bit as discriminatory as the 'isms' that you oppose. You have shown yourself up to be a tired bigot who bears a grudge against protesters for whatever reason.”