Policy to control pub growth hailed success

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Saturday, April 11, 2009
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by Paul Wiltshire

A strategy to keep a lid on the development of new pubs and clubs in Bath city centre is being hailed as a success.

Politicians will meet on April 20 to review a policy which came into force last year which puts the onus on pub firms to prove that new bars - or plans to extend opening hours of existing businesses - will not aggravate crime and disorder problems.

The zone covered by Bath and North East Somerset Council's cumulative impact policy contains the city centre - stretching as far as Cleveland Bridge to the north east and the Royal Crescent to the west.

City centre politicians and the city's police licensing bureau have urged the council to keep going with the policy.

The authority's licensing committee is also being asked to decide whether the boundaries of the policy zone should be extended.

The policy was launched after major concern from city centre residents over the growth of new pubs and clubs, particularly in the area around George Street.

Last year, there were five applications for new premises licences and 10 applications to vary the hours of existing licences in the policy area zone.

All of these were approved but police liquor licensing officer Martin Purchase says in a submission to the council that the policy has forced a change in the mindset of firms and licensees applying for extra hours, or to open new venues.

"The cumulative impact policy has had a very marked effect on licensing applications that have been submitted since its introduction.

"Applicants for grants and variations are well aware that there is a reasonable presumption that applications will be refused unless they can show that there will be no negative cumulative effect on one or more of the licensing objectives."

This means that applicants have to show they will have proper CCTV cameras in place, employ trained door staff, keep areas outside their premises clean, join local schemes such as the Pubwatch group, and ban beers in glass bottles.

City centre councillor Terry Gazzard (Con, Abbey) tells the council: "There is no doubt that the CIP has helped local councillors to control the growth of drinking establishments in the zone.

"I do not want the CIP threatened in any way.

"The city centre still has an anti-social behaviour problem, in particular in good weather. I would be betraying the majority wish of the city centre residents if I were to allow any erosion of the CIP."

His colleague Cllr Brian Webber (Con, Abbey) said he now received fewer complaints about anti-social behaviour in the city centre, and that the policy had proved the council's determination to tackle binge drinking.

He says: "The abolition of the CIP would send the wrong signal to the licensing trade and would be very discouraging to residents."

The Federation of Bath Residents' Associations has recently identified the impact of drinking on the city centre as one of the biggest problems facing the local community.

But the council and police argue that new links between them and city centre manager Andrew Cooper, as well as the co-operation of pubs and clubs, are tackling the issue.

Police have also cracked down on problem street drinkers in the city centre - issuing some of them with anti-social behaviour orders banning them from the area.

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    by Sam, Bath

    Tuesday, April 14 2009, 1:56PM

    “I love going to the pub - I just hate the prices that some of them charge! Over-charging just discriminates against sensible drinkers (like me). I don't think the smoking ban has had much of an affect on people going to the pub.

    And if people can't handle their booze then why do they go to the pub. The people who go out on a Friday or Saturday night and who feel the need to have a fight after 2 pints should stay home!

    I was in London recently and was paying about £3.30 for a pint (which will be the norm in Bath soon) and the pubs were crowded. But a couple of years ago I was in Norway and paid £6 for a pint. I wonder why I was the only customer in the bar! :(

    And as for the "problem street drinkers in the city centre" this has been going on for years. Why wasn't something done about this 10 years ago!?”

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    by Christine, Bath

    Monday, April 13 2009, 5:38PM

    “SPA - I don't fully agree with you that those are the reasons why pubs are failing but these are the reasons often quoted.

    Nowadays our homes are far more sophisticated than just a few year's ago. Wide screen tv, dvds, laptops and computer games. What does the pub have to offer? A queue at the bar to get served a glass of wine or beer far less superior to what we have at home. And also we're less sociable and less inclined to spend our evenings just drinking. We may like to EAT and then drink but not sit with a drink(s) all night. And we're strapped for cash - and less inclined to drink if it involves a cab home.

    People get outraged to hear of their local closing but then admit that they never drink there and see no sense of irony.

    I think we're also more health conscious - preferring to drink less and not pay a fortune for soft drinks. Younger people are getting more ageist in the sense that they don't want to drink anywhere where the over 40s go (and this probably works both ways) so pubs tend to have to be 'old fashioned' to attract the older people and 'trendy' to attract the young rather than in the 'old' days when a pub was just a pub with all ages drinking there and finally, I think pubs made a big mistake allowing small children in - (as discussed in a previous strand) I hate to see babies and infants in pubs just because to me, they are the last place where adults can go to be adults and I don't want to share a 'quiet' drink with a toddler. I stopped going to my local when I saw a 5 year old slumped across the bar with a huge bag of crisps and a pint of lemonade while her parents sat nearby getting drunk. So, lots of reasons - but probably none of them to do with the council! (as you say).”

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    by SPA, Bath, Somerset.

    Sunday, April 12 2009, 2:06PM

    “Please excuse the entry above/below, this website makes it so hard to post a comment, so after being fed up trying to post a reply I did the xxxxxxx thing.

    Right let's try again.

    Councillors are too keen to pat themselves on the back for something that is really not their doing. The downfall in applications for pubs/wine bars or whatever you call them is due to:-
    a) Smoking Ban
    b) Cost of beer as opposed to staying at home and buying it in from the supermarkets for friends to share.
    c) No loans available to the big chains.
    d) Cheap Eastern European labour chasing the value of the Euro not our flailing £.”

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