Park drinking area plan scrapped

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​Plans to use a shelter in Bath’s biggest park as a haven for street drinkers have been scrapped.

The abandonment of a three-month pilot scheme planned for Royal Victoria Park comes as the politician behind the idea decides to commission new research into the city’s street drinking problems.

Bath and North East Somerset Council was facing opposition to both the temporary project pencilled in for next summer and to plans for a new hostel with a drinking area attached in James Street West.

A petition signed by around 400 people was presented to a council meeting last week in protest at the £5 million hostel scheme.

A building used by the Genesis Trust homelessness charity is currently the preferred location for the facility which would replace the existing Julian House night shelter in Manvers Street.

But local residents and businesses are furious at the choice of the site, saying that putting a controlled drinking area or wet house at the scheme - aimed at vastly improving services for the homeless - would turn the clock back on years of progress in improving the look and image of nearby Kingsmead Square.

The driving force behind the idea, housing cabinet member Councillor Vic Pritchard (Con, Chew Valley South), has scrapped the trial wet house - where street drinkers would congregate and get help for their addiction - planned for an existing shelter within view of the world-famous Royal Crescent.

Mr Pritchard said he accepted the spot was “inappropriate” and would now be looking elsewhere for a site for a pilot study.

“I want to do a pilot exercise somewhere in the city centre but it was clear the park wasn’t going to be acceptable.”

At last week’s meeting, he announced he would be getting an independent assessment of how best to provide a drinking area.

In answer to a written question from Liberal Democrat Councillor Andy Furse, whose Kingsmead seat takes in the James Street West site and who had urged him to look elsewhere for a location, Mr Pritchard said: “Street drinking, and the associated anti-social behaviour that is attached to this activity, remains a serious issue of concern for many residents and visitors to Bath.

“To fully tackle this issue the council recognises that further work is required.  To that end I am currently examining the possibility of commissioning independent research into the issue.  This research will be used to inform our future options, both in the short term and the longer term.  

“As you will appreciate ruling out the possibility of a wet garden area in the proposed homeless hostel at James Street West before I have the results of this research would be inappropriate.”

Mr Furse accused the ruling Tory administration at the Guildhall of being unnecessarily secretive about the scheme.

“Nearly all the business owners and residents who came to speak (at the meeting) mentioned the lack of consultation and engagement from the council.”

Les Curle, manager of the Silcox, Son and Wicks furniture store in Kingsmead Square, handed over the petition.

He said the James Street West site was a “silly choice.”

“This is going to have a negative effect on everyone around here.  It has to be in an area where the impact on the local community is minimal and that is certainly not the case here.”

The wet house has also raised concerns from pub landlords.

Myles Gallagher of the Bath Pubwatch scheme which aims to promote a safe night-time culture said: "Bath Pubwatch is extremely concerned with the proposed wet house and night shelter on James Street West. Over the last number of years Pubwatch has worked with many local agencies such as Avon and Somerset Police, the B&NES anti-social behaviour team and street marshals to improve the environment in and around Kingsmead Square. We believe that all the improvements made to date will be put in jeopardy if this scheme goes ahead.

"Pubwatch works tirelessly to tackle alcohol-related disorder within the city, and to site a wet house in the middle of an area that has possibly the highest number of off-licensed premises in the city along with a large number of pubs and clubs seems frankly ill thought out."

The council looked at more than a dozen sites before choosing the Genesis building.

It has committed £3 million of its own money to the project but needs another £2 million from a development partner after the loss of £2.5 million of Government funding for the building earlier this year.

B&NES had been working with social landlord Somer on the scheme, and has mentioned the housing association as a potential funder since the loss of the Homes and Communities Agency money.

Somer says it is still interested but will have to take a fresh decision on whether to get involved again.

Director of business development Mike Grist said: “Somer Housing Group had been in discussions with the council about the concept of a scheme for homeless people somewhere within Bath and North East Somerset. However, we are no longer involved in the proposals as the opportunity for funding from the Homes and Communities Agency has passed.

“There is a need for improved services for homeless people, and as a social landlord, we want to get involved with and support projects which tackle homelessness. Regrettably, the original project we were going to be involved with has not come to fruition and we understand the council is putting together new proposals, which we will be very interested to consider when they are complete.”

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    by Sue, Bath

    Friday, January 15 2010, 11:18PM

    “I was not only shocked (and hope I am not the only one to say this) but surprised that another human being could make such a comment about another human being - that being (not only by the ignorant comments from people who live in Bath also who also has the fortune like me to have the honour of living under a roof) but by someone called Charles who proves the point of "its ok but not outside our house thanks". Charles has said that he thinks we should not be helping these people and god forbid if we have to then we should bus them to some cheap place ¿ basically I quote ¿thank ¿God at least some common sense has prevailed. Here we are in a city which depends on tourism for much of its livelihood and the council want to put a home for drunks right next to one of our star attractions! Unbelievable. Are the council actually trying to vandalize the city? Why can these people not be bussed out of town to a facility in a much cheaper area? Why does it have to be built in one of the most expensive places in England? If you want to see where all your hard-earned tax money is being wasted, then schemes like this give you an idea. £5M is a huge sum of money - that would build 50 or 60 brand new 3 bed homes. It also represents the lifetime tax payments of perhaps 15 or 20 people. So, somewhere out there 15 or 20 people are going to have to work and pay tax for the rest of their lives to provide these drunks with a free home and care. There are kids out there right now who need treatment in hospital and can't get it because the government says we can't afford it. And we are giving £5M to these sorts of people? They shouldn't get anything, but if we really have to do something for them, it should be done in the cheapest possible facility well away from the centre of Bath.
    I am surprised Charles could even write a name after his rant because to be quite honest I would be embarrassed to know I wrote that.... and to Vigi sorry I can't be bothered to say your whole name and I'm sure the useless sods as you call them will agree with me . I have never been homeless but would love to see Charles and Vigi sleep one night in Bath with me to raise money for a cause that is very worthwhile. I wait to hear from Charles and Vigi.”

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    by Tom Trosborg, Bath

    Tuesday, December 01 2009, 3:45PM

    “"useless sods" - and a very Merry Xmas to you, Vigi Gran.”

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    by Dave Larkhall, Larkhall

    Monday, November 30 2009, 10:33PM

    “Shame really. I was looking forward to popping in there on my way home from work for a couple of free pints.”

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    by Vigilante Gran, Bath

    Friday, November 27 2009, 7:48PM

    “Why should we provide anywhere for these useless sods to drink?
    Our police should just send them packing, most of them are not even from this area, they make their way to Bath because it's a soft touch.”

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    by Unknown, Bath

    Friday, November 27 2009, 3:35PM

    “Can we not just give the street drinkers £2.50 each and they can spend the day in the Lamb and Lion?”

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    by Mike Mapstone, Bath

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 7:24PM

    “When I was given the oportunity to address the full Council meeting on the 19th November on this subject, I warned: - "I sense a tendency has crept in, to promote the hostel in James Street West, but to soft pedal the wet room idea at this early stage. In other words, to water down the proposal in order to get it through council and then to add in a supplement later by the back door." Is there not a whiff of such a ploy in the above Council statement? Of course there is. Do not trust them gentle residents, keep up the pressure, "No doss house in James Street West, wet, dry or just slightly damp."”

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    by Charles, Bath

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 4:46PM

    “Thank God at least some common sense has prevailed. Here we are in a city which depends on tourism for much of its livelihood and the council want to put a home for drunks right next to one of our star attractions! Unbelievable. Are the council actually trying to vandalize the city?
    Why can these people not be bussed out of town to a facility in a much cheaper area? Why does it have to be built in one of the most expensive places in England? If you want to see where all your hard-earned tax money is being wasted, then schemes like this give you an idea. £5M is a huge sum of money - that would build 50 or 60 brand new 3 bed homes. It also represents the lifetime tax payments of perhaps 15 or 20 people. So, somewhere out there 15 or 20 people are going to have to work and pay tax for the rest of their lives to provide these drunks with a free home and care. There are kids out there right now who need treatment in hospital and can't get it because the government says we can't afford it. And we are giving £5M to these sorts of people? They shouldn't get anything, but if we really have to do something for them, it should be done in the cheapest possible facility well away from the centre of Bath.”

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    by June Player, Bath

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 12:18PM

    “Is ANYWHERE going to be deemed as appropriate for the Wethouse? I bet if Cllr Vic Pritchard suggested it be put in his front or back garden some neighbour would object and if this is not the case, then the answer to this problem will be solved!”

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    by Happy days, bath

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 12:13PM

    “Vic Pritchard is seeking out new sites for the streetdrinkers.
    Can I suggest a hamlet about mile from Bishop Sutton”

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    by PW, Bath

    Thursday, November 26 2009, 12:04PM

    “I find it interesting that this article runs alongside one about clamping down on litterbugs. Litterbugs are criminals but streetdrinkers who abuse, intimidate and ruin tourism are 'to be helped' ? Why not put the resources into 'helping' abusive streetdrinkers into jail??”

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