Long-awaited crossing causing concerns

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Thursday, September 13, 2012
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After 20 years of people asking for a crossing on Livingstone Road, B&NES has finally installed one.

The only problem is it's way too close to the junction with Moorland Road and it's causing problems.

As can be seen in the picture there is barely enough room for a car to stop at the junction with Moorland Road.

So if a larger vehicle such as a single decker bus on the number 10 route has to stop and give way at the junction, it will be stationary on the crossing.

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This will of course not stop people from crossing, they will simply walk out into the road and around the bus.

The second thing is that if there is a large vehicle stopped to give way any vehicle turning right into Livingstone Road from Moorland Road is unable to see the crossing or any pedestrians.

Another problem is that if a vehicle turning right into Livingstone Road from Moorland Road has stopped to give way at the crossing it causes a jam on the junction.

When I discussed my concerns with David Dixon he agreed it wasn't perfect but this seemed the best option.

Maybe Mr Dixon should reconsider his thoughts on this junction?

Maybe B&NES should remove the bus stop to another location close by and move the crossing a little bit further down Livingstone Road.

SCOTT TURNER Bath

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  • Profile image for rogerh3

    by rogerh3

    Monday, September 24 2012, 9:18AM

    “The crossing is in the right place because it's closest to the pedestrian 'desire line'. If you moved it further down then many people wouldn't use it - they'd cross at the junction, introducing unnecessary risk.”

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    by DaveF_Walcot

    Monday, September 17 2012, 10:51PM

    “I used this crossing today. It's the perfect place to pedestrians to cross the busy junction.
    All the complaints are based on the belief motorist are inept & think roads were created after the invention of the internal combustion engine.

    "As can be seen in the picture there is barely enough room for a car to stop at the junction with Moorland Road."

    Barely? So your saying there is enough, then.

    "This will of course not stop people from crossing, they will simply walk out into the road and around the bus."

    Evidence?

    "The second thing is that if there is a large vehicle stopped to give way any vehicle turning right into Livingstone Road from Moorland Road is unable to see the crossing or any pedestrians."

    1. Very few do that for obvious reasons of road layout to the South end of Moorland Road.
    2. *All* road users should drive at a speed to stop to avoid collisions.

    "if a vehicle turning right into Livingstone Road from Moorland Road has stopped to give way at the crossing it causes a jam on the junction."

    For all of 20 seconds maximum. Seriously get a grip of reality.

    "First time I've ever seen zig-zags across a T-junction"

    Really? You should look out more. Stopping/parking at junctions is usually banned with double yellows or those white I/Hshaped white lines (not sure what they're called) so what's the difference?

    "That way traffic coming across Moorland Rd from Herbert Rd will see the lights are going to change to red and therefore will not cross and stop on Moorland Rd"

    The only vehicle drivers at Herbert Rd give way which can't notice a pedestrian at the crossing & is too stupid to wait (again, 20seconds max) should have their licence taken away from them immediately.”

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    by MajorFlack

    Saturday, September 15 2012, 10:53AM

    “First time I've ever seen zig-zags across a T-junction. Brilliant!

    Ten out of ten for originality, a fat zero for applied intelligence B&NES.”

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    by Juneplayer

    Friday, September 14 2012, 10:35PM

    “I too feel this crossing is incorrectly positioned AND that it should at least be a Pelican one. That way traffic coming across Moorland Rd from Herbert Rd will see the lights are going to change to red and therefore will not cross and stop on Moorland Rd and so block it and likewise with vehicles turning right into Livingstone Rd. - some of which race round the corner really dangerously, ALSO, people will be able to cross over far more safely when the green person sign shows. This will also prevent people crossing behind a larger vehicle such as a bus and not be able to see what is coming in the other direction along Livingstone Rd and at the same time not be hidden as they cross behind the larger vehicles. I also understand that my writing in about my concerns caused the cossing to be delayed by a few weeks whilst it was looked in to! Apols for that but to me this is a serious situation and I could not just not bother. I was told that should my concerns prove to be so, then the crossing will be looked at again. I sincerely hope that my concerns are ill-founded.”

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