Protest group unconvinced by BRT data
Campaigners say council chiefs have failed to come up with any new information to convince them of the merits of a contentious bus scheme.
The hotly-debated Bus Rapid Transit scheme comes before planning councillors at a meeting next Wednesday - with transport officials insisting it is the best option for cutting congestion between Newbridge and the city centre.
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A decision was deferred by Bath and North East Somerset Council's development control committee in May so that officers could come up with more information about the savings in travel time the BRT might bring.
In fact, there appears to be little new information in the report to the committee, and the Response2route anti-BRT pressure group says it "has not seen any further evidence to support claims about the supposed benefits of the BRT."
The report argues that:
* the BRT route along a former railway track through Newbridge would mean bus journeys between Newbridge park and ride and Windsor Bridge Road would take six minutes, no matter what time of day
* this would knock anything between seven and 12 minutes off the journey time on existing roads at peak periods
* the extension to Newbridge park and ride would reduce morning commuter traffic along Newbridge and Upper Bristol roads by nearly a fifth
* creating a new bus lane along Newbridge Road would involve the demolition of 14 homes and virtually double the cost of the scheme
* creating a new lane on Lower Bristol Road would involve the loss of 260 parking spaces - compared to the 54 which will go under the current BRT scheme - and cost £11.67 million, compared to the £9 million planned route in that part of Bath.
The total cost of the BRT - which would take buses from Newbridge through the city centre and on to a new park and ride site at Bathampton - has been put at £16 million.
Transport officers say the time saved by the BRT will "increase over time" as traffic levels grow over the next few years.
But Response2route spokeswoman Jo McCarron said: "Our view still remains that there has not been adequate research and that communication has been appalling.
"Response2route requested through the Freedom of Information Act all of the studies which showed the former railway would be the most effective choice of route. The only information we have received amounts to a couple of A4 printouts. The council are unable to provide any further information to show how the quoted figures were reached.
"Our group believes the BRT will have a massive negative impact on our community and this is totally unjustified by the very minimal benefits the council claims the scheme will provide.
"To date, the proposal has only been examined internally. An independent scrutiny is crucial to ensure that the procedures have been handled in a fair and transparent way.
"The council have demonstrated a complete failure to answer their own questions resulting from the last planning meeting."
The meeting will take place in the Guildhall's council chamber at 2pm, with the proceedings filmed and transmitted to a video screen in a ground floor room.
Opponents of the BRT and the equally contentious Bathampton Meadows park and ride plan complained at this arrangement at May's meeting.
But the council says a room large enough to accommodate large numbers of members of the public had been booked for another event as along ago as November.
The council's transport projections have been challenged by opponents.
Retired civil servant Sydney Fremantle, from Batheaston, says figures submitted by the council to win nearly £50 million of funding for the Bath Transportation Package in 2006, fly in the face of reason.
He says the time scheduled to be taken by BRT buses using the conventional bus lane on the other side of the city centre in London Road takes no account of other traffic such as taxis, other buses and cyclists.
"In effect the BRT is expected to fly or hop over other vehicles."
And he says the figures for the Newbridge section - which are different to the more recent ones produced by B&NES - show benefits of less than a second.
A spokesman for B&NES's transport department said: "The award of programme entry and the offer of Government funding for the Bath Transportation Package was based upon the business case. The Department for Transport has approved funding in principle for the Bath Transportation Package on this basis."











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by Kirsten, Bath
Sunday, July 05 2009, 9:21AM
“Let's get to the root of the problem, shall we? All these ideas are fine except that all the time First is in the loop, with its sky-high charges, people will stick to their cars. Logically, that may not make sense, since running a car is expensive, but against that is the convenience. That's why people living in the city drive out to the park and rides. Parking is free - thereby dodging the city's high parking charges - and the bus fares are cheap. I wonder if the council has actually done a study of how people use P&Rs. I think they will be in for an unpleasant shock if they do. I was actually told off by Elgar J for using a Park and Ride like that - it's not what it's meant for, he said. I know that - but there's nothing to stop people doing it - and they do. They also use it as a pick-up point for coaches and minibus trips. (Free parking again, you see.) And that makes nonsense of the council's calculations.”
by JC, Bath
Sunday, July 05 2009, 8:22AM
“Happy days indeed. :-)
I think the main problem with "experts" is that they are told what the outcome should be at the outset, as with the taxi report elsewhere on this site. And if the Consultants provide the "right" answer now, no doubt that will lead to more money-spinning work as the project progresses.”
by Sam, Bath
Sunday, July 05 2009, 6:32AM
“Wow - myself, JC and anil all agree with each other! ;)
And Julia's point about tendering I also agree with.
Having previously worked in local government (the one that begins with Bath and ends with Council) they DO find a contractor, stick with them and make it impossible for anyone else to tender. (Christmas ice rink and Christmas market for example).
The council are also well known for employing USELESS so-called "experts" and "consultants". ;)”
by Jo, Bath
Saturday, July 04 2009, 6:02PM
“We asked to see projected costs of lowering the sewer in one section between Brassmill Lane and Hartwells.
I received a letter from Peter Dawson dated 13th October 08, which reads,
"We have done much work on the potential for lowering the rising main and our findings are that the cost to the project will be marginal"
A bold statement from Peter, and quite in contrast to the recent objection letter from Wessex Water, which states,
¿Diversion works will be at significant cost owing to capacity and sensitivity of the rising main and will be completed at the developer¿s expense. No agreement has been reached upon the cost and timing of these works¿
This relates only to this one section, other sections show even more feasibility and cost issues.
How can the council possibly continue to insist that the Midland railway is the best value for money when they have not even agreed on a price for lowering the main sewer? How do they have the audacity to keep saying this option will be less expensive than utilising space on existing wide roads? Who will pay when the bottomless pit of contingency funds, which apparently will pay for the sewer works, runs out?”
by PJ, Batheaston
Friday, July 03 2009, 4:53PM
“Anil - Credit where it's due. You've now put forward some very good and objective points that I for one will not argue with.
That Major Scheme Business Case on the other hand isn't really worth the paper it's printed on and you highlight just one of a number of 'facts' contained within it that are just plain wrong.”