Circus and George Street traffic plans announced

“@troubleatmill
The problem with that is some plonkers ignore the no right turn sign & try to go up Gay St. from George St. Also ignored is the yellow box.

@mopsus2
With Queen Square being busy at most times I suspect most already use Marlborough (& Park) Lane, especially when heading from the West. Even if coming from the South it would often be quicker to use Midland Road.

@Dave_Weston
Many of these tour coaches come from London, drive around for just an hour or two & then on to Stonehenge etc. They bring very little benefit in the form of revenue.

@Mcupis
Malcolm, a resident of a distant parish, how can it affect Lower Gay Street and Queens Square seeing it'll carry the same volume of traffic? If anything the closure will deter some from using that route so actually reduce it.

@Mr. Nemo
It appears Malcolm's disease of not being able to read reports fully is contagious, as it clearly says "north side of the road between Bartlett Street and Lansdown Road will be 'No Loading/ Unloading at any time'."

@BV_BV
The fact vehicles are stationary/unloading does nothing to slow down the flow. It's their incompetence in performing simple parking manoeuvres that blocks oncoming traffic but, as has been pointed out the area is always slow moving anyway.”

“Just ignore the stupid arrows. They are generally inversely proportionate to the validity of a statement. They are manipulated by sad people who either have an irrational axe to grind or who don't have the intelligence to express themselves clearly in a debate.”

“These red and green arrows seem a little unpredictable! How did Malcolm's 50 plus positive approvals of his very valid comments become a negative, when Mr Nemo's comments about it now have over 50 green arrows supporting him? All very strange.”

“There are often vehicles stopped or unloading in George Street making it a pinch point for traffic. Restriction will not be applied along its complete length and then only at specified times.
All the vehicles that would have travelled unimpeded up Gay Street would have to queue in George Street. That would surely be adding to the pollution far more than anything reduced in Gay Street and the Circus (the congested route where vehicles travel quite freely).
How would traffic flow more freely along George Street in this 18 month trial?
As this is a trial, what will be the measures of success? I recall that when the corner of Queen Square was blocked off, the measure of success to keep the block there was that there was much less traffic in Wood Street and Quiet Street.
What criteria will be used to gauge success? The pollution levels and volumes of traffic in George Street should be measured, and not just measured in Gay Street.”

“Good point by Mr_Nemo...

The junction of George Street and Lansdown Road is always a nightmare. If it isn't cars using the left hand lane for The Paragon (against the road markings) it is the right hand lane users that cut the bend. For me it is a weekly occurrence to have to slam on the brakes whilst turning up Lansdown Road as some idiot has decided that the shortest route from George Street to The Paragon is to cut off the corner.

Also, although not exactly relevant, what is it about the junction at St Stephens Church that makes those coming down Lansdown Road feel that the Give Way sign and road markings can be ignored (including some P&R buses)?”

“"As there's a left filter lane from George Street into Lansdown Road any queues along the Paragon are largely irrelevant to that traffic....."

That is assuming that the filter lane is not blocked by (un)loading vehicles, or those idiots who think that, 'cos there is a slight bend the left in the road, the LH lane is for those heading to the Paragon and then can't move forward anyway!”

“Thats going to make traffic coming from the paragon turning right into Lansdown stack up"

Can't see why. You can't turn right into Gay Street from George Street at present.

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“Thats going to make traffic coming from the paragon turning right into Lansdown stack up”

“I don't know where Rogerh3 get his information from..."

Observation - standing waiting to cross the road there. On additional benefit is that we won't have to guess which vehicles are continuing up Gay Street, since so few currently signal their intention to do so.

"why is the change being made?"

To help reduce vehicle emissions, which currently exceed legal limits there. A small contribution, maybe, but it all helps.

"It makes so much sense to allow traffic up Gay Street to the Circus, and restrict traffic coming down"

It makes absolutely no sense. As there's a left filter lane from George Street into Lansdown Road any queues along the Paragon are largely irrelevant to that traffic. Drivers will also be using that route to cut across Lansdown Road to Guinea Lane.

Banning traffic the other way would achieve very little other than causing far more problems for vehicles going from the Circus towards Milsom Street or Queen Square - they'd now have to turn right out of Bennett Street, cutting across the Lansdown Road traffic.

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“I'm not quite sure why this council seams so determined on grid locking Bath. It has already been shown that one Audi in George street is enough to cause major chaos, yet the council is suggesting closing off other relief options.
If they have so much spare traffic budget, how about fixing the holes in the roads and pavements, thereby cutting the amount of compensation they have to pay out, giving them more money to help with the budget cuts. Then the pedestrians, cyclists and motorists could all benefit.”